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u/xander707

Even though we just elected a billionaire felon by a thin margin, its obvious theres civil discontent and unrest in the air. Tens of millions of Americans are waking up to how unfair the system is, and how its lopsided in favor of the elites. We arent created equal, we arent treated equal, our votes arent even equal. The sad thing is that more often than not, people on the right and left want the same things. Policies that expand medical care are popular. Social entitlement programs are popular. Unfortunately culture war bs was leveraged to get millions of Americans to vote against their own interests, but millions understand that the real fight is between the 99% and the 1% that wants to control and harm us.
u/xander707

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u/xander707

The both-siding of politics has really been a cancer on our politics, policies, and country as a whole.
u/xander707

The bums will always lose!
u/xander707

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u/xander707

Yes I agree. This is getting into how income should be distributed, which is a related but different topic. Honestly I dont know what the answer is. I dont know what the cutoff should be. Im not against people getting rich to some degree. But like you say, the lower employees should be seeing the benefits as well. Something like the most someone can make in a company cant be more than 50 times the lowest paid employee or something to that effect. That way if the CEO is making 10 million a year, their lowest paid employee must be making 200K a year. Then in order for the CEO to make 20 million a year, lowest paid employee must make 400K. And so on.
u/xander707

We just have to get over it.
u/xander707

Rather than be so childish about it, show some humility and understand the point Im making is that its not required to believe that billionaires are inherently immoral or evil people in order to shame them for their wealth and demand a change in wealth distribution. We are on the same side but arguing over nonsense because Redditors regurgitate that billionaires must all be evil, as it is so close to the truth of it but we are at a stage where nuance is important. I dont believe Taylor Swift is evil either, or that she attained her wealth immorally. I still believe it is, in itself, immoral for her to have that much wealth, to try to attain even more, without putting a significant amount of it back into society. We lose the plot if we inaccurately demonize all billionaires as having necessarily fucked people over and evilly/immorally attained their wealth. This isnt about getting a dopamine hit ffs, its about getting others to focus on what actually matters on this issue which is that billionaires should not exist period, and it has little to nothing to do with how they became billionaires. We need to set the foundation for this discourse to be as effective as possible at getting this message through.
u/xander707

You do realize these are exceptions? And now we have come full circle. You do realize that youve literally just agreed with the position I have been articulating since my very first comment in this thread, right? Maybe being arbitrarily argumentative is bad and counterproductive.
u/xander707

I just asked what you mean by normal business. Yet you can’t answer that. I did answer it. Youre not satisfied with my answer, but Im not the one making the argument that all billionaires attained their wealth through immoral means, which is a falsifiable, demonstrable claim that can and should be challenged. By failing to define what you find is normal and moral its clear your are afraid to be wrong in your assessments of these people. If I was afraid, I wouldnt have listed them lol. I am proposing a very simple and very direct litmus test to your claim. If all billionaires attained their wealth through immoral means, then I shouldnt be able to name a single billionaire at all for the challenge. The truth is that you are the one is afraid to take on the challenge and end up being wrong about your assessment that ALL billionaires attained their wealth immorally, and it shows. I wouldn’t call her evil but If you think T Swift has no exploitative business practices, I have a bride to sell you. Name them. This is a silly hill to die on. Unless you believe all methods of making a profit are inherently immoral/evil, it just does not logically follow that all billionaires attained their wealth immorally. Obviously, the average person does not believe all profiting to be inherently immoral/evil. My position is that its irrelevant, and a complete waste of time to focus on that because whether a billionaire attained their wealth morally or not makes no difference on the fact that having that much wealth is the problem regardless. By arguing that their means are always evil, you are implicitly making the argument that a billionaire who could attain their wealth morally is therefore ok. Its not. What we need to be talking about is how the hoarding of that much money is harmful to society, regardless of the means in which it was attained. This conversation serves only as further evidence that focusing on the means only damages our ability to concisely and effectively address the actual problem.